Sunday, May 27, 2007

Religion & Politics of the 3rd Millenium (part 1)


We are all creations or emanations/manifestations/generations/evolutions of The One God or Goddess.

All religions/mythologies/philosophies/etc ultimately came (d/evolved) from one common original .

Man is/has become fallen/dualist/separated (death, de-/dys-/sickness/illness, suffering/persecution).
Eg: "(man origin from nature [holistic],) man has been shielded from nature by civilisation and become inverse-/un-/anti-natural [out/dualist], and (given rise to some) degenerate(s) [out/dualist] thru dysgenics/mixing."

(Good and) evil/dualism came out of original good/holism.

Man search/"quest"/strives (earn/works) to become whole [re-]/gods.

"Mythology" like (not just) the bible is about (approach as) a dualistic/dialectic interaction
(holism/in/truth/survival vs dualism/out) throut the whole of Time (human/world/cyclical (hi)story (& prophecy)).

that is there are 2 lines/sides within/between every religion/mythology.

Each/every tribe/religion/nation/people/culture/etc (incld modern books like Messianic legacy) has its/their own traditional (or synthetic/composite), dualistic definition/classification of In/Holist and Out/Dualist, generally (naturally, relatively) seeing/viewing/representing themselves as In, and (lump) all others (non-) as Out/inverse/common enemy (gentiles/goyim, pakeha, barbarian, infidel, kafirs, set/hyksos, ). .

In - citizens;
in/out - subjects/guests/allies/proselytes;
out/in - foreign nationals;
Out - foreigners/enemies.

Taking any 2 or more religions, sometimes the 2 lines/sides may be/are common/allies/match/equate same way around, &/or sometimes may be different/opposed/inversed (eg Asuras and Devas switched between Indian & Iranian), and/or sometimes mixed (eg BIs, Baigent/Lincoln/Leigh).

Ultimately there are only 2 "dualistic" sides/ways (1 whole), or, all religions reduce (ally/polarise) to 2 sides (1 whole).

judaeo-xtian is unique to [all/most] other world/pagan religions.

both sides/most seem to agree that judaeo-xtian and ["anti-dualists"] are on different opposite sides.

What is also evident is that the pagan 2 lines are inverse to the biblical/Judaeo-Xtian 2 lines; the antichrist/christ of judaeo-xtian is [christ] (Horus)/[antichrist] (Set) of pagan.

seth...horus
|.....\/...|
|...../\...|
abel...cain

which matches the non-/anti-Xtian view that "Xtianity is dualism". This is also illustrated by various writers inversing the 2 lines in the bible like favouring 6th day man/elohim over 8th day man/yhwh.

it is a common/popular arguement that "dualist" judaeo-xtianity came from "dualist" zoroastrianism (&/or atenism &/or "neurotic" rome [&/or Set]) (or both come from common origins).

However, there is a difference (distinct) between Xtianity/dualism and occult/anti-dualism/naturalism/paganism/"satanism" over what ulitmate One Whole, In/good (and Out/"dark/evil/sin"/dualist) is true (origins) as to who is artificial/moralistic/unholistic/unnatural/dualistic/evil/harmful.

it depends which side one is on, or which side is true.

So to xtians/if judaeo-xtianity is true, then (God is Holistic/In, and) [pagan/occultist/antidualist] are out/dualistic/mixed/devil/sinners/fallen.

to antidualists, "dualistic" zoroastrianism & "dualistic" xtianity are both (common) out/moralistic/dualist/Set, like nationalists say capitalism & communism are really on same side/2 sides same coin even tho they are dualistic enemies of each other.

acknowls:
adolf hilter (mein kampf), gerald massey (bk of beginnings), a j gregor (nature of prejudice), k r bolton, petros koutoupis (origins of the nephilim), j/d jewell, e h j steed (2 be 1), tani jantsang/phil marsh, e sykes, dan brown (da vinci code), baigent/lincoln/leigh (messianic legacy), brooks/moody (spirit of truth spirit of error), a h sayce, bible, francis parker yockey/ulick varange (imperium), rob zacharias, hegel, carl jung, f neitzsche,

dualisms &/or (antidual) dialectics (both/neither):

Judaeo-Xtian/Gnostic:
Adam - Enosh (Hislop);
Tree Life - Tree Knowledge (Steed);
Seth - Cain;
sons of God - daughters of men;
Eden - Nod;
God/YHWH - Devil/Satan;
Shem - Japheth (J Jewell);
Yhwh - El;
Israel/Jacob - Esau/Edom;
Moab - Ammon;
Ephraim - Manasseh (BIWF);
Moses - Aaron (Amp);
Moses - Elijah (Misler);
Abram - Lot;
Isaac - Ishmael (Amp, Paul);
Judah/jews - Israel;
Adam - Serpent (Jantsang);
cupbearer - baker (Misler);
Lucifer - Satan;
sons of light - sons of darkness;
ears - eyes;
Jubal - Jabal;
Adah - Zillah;
Cain - Tubalcain;
Christ - Jesus (Brooks/Moody);
Abel - Cain;
3 - 1;
Jn - synoptic (WG Simpson);
NT - OT;
Setian - Ophite (Jantsang);
Arminian - Calvinist (Misler);
Fundamentalist - Modernist (ME Ravage);
(seed) woman - (seed) serpent (KR Bolton/F Scorpio);
evil spirit - demon (Misler);
Gibborim - Nephilim;
Jerusalem - Babylon (Misler);
False Prophet - Anti-Christ;
Peleg - Joktan;
good - evil/bad;
Magog - Gog;
Pharisees - Saducees/scribes (Misler);
Saturday - Sunday;
rock - sand (I Lewis);
Zion - Sion ;
David - Solomon (Misler);
Mordechai - Haman (Misler);
[wheat] - tares (Bolton/Scorpio);
sheep - goats;
Joshua - Caleb;
right - left;
Mary - Martha (Amp);
cross - rose;
[lamb - dragon];
(white - black;)
wonderful - fearful;
[David - Saul];
Eve - animals;
lt to rt - rt to lt (Misler, Waddell);
(scorpio/serp - aquilo (I Myers);)
Israel - Jacob ([Misler/Focus]);
Rachel - Leah;
Gad - Asher (Hislop);
Behemoth - Leviathan;
Paul - Peter;
Adam (rule/chauvinism) - Eve (desire/feminism);
8th day - 6th day man (Jewell, Jantsang/[Peters]);
Paul A - James J ([Eisenman?]);
Jesus C - John B (Theirring/Jantsang);
Jesus - Lucifer (JT Chick/Mormon);

Phoenician/Syrian/Canaanite/Semitic:
Khoser - Hasis (Sykes, Pratney);
driver - expeller (Sykes);
Elim - Elohim (M Jordan);
Baal - Yamm ;
Sachar - Salem (B Walker, );
Hyposouranios - Ousoos (Sykes);
Aleion - Mot (Sykes);
Mot - Leviathan (Sykes);
Baal - El (Sykes);
Baal - Mot (A Millard, );

Arab/Moslem:
Shia - Sunni;

Mesopotamian:
Kish - Uruk (NK Sandars);
[Umma - Lagas];
Apsu - Tiamat (Heidel);
An - Ki (Black & Green, Sandars);
Igigi - Anunaki (Jordan, Sykes);
Enki/Ea/flood saviour - Enlil/flood sender (Alford, );
Sumer/accad - Akkad/sem/chald (Sayce);
Euphrates - Tigris;
Sarku/lt - Admu/dk (G Massey);
Anu - Ea (L Stringer);
anshar - kishar;
lahmu - lahamu;
shaven - bearded (JR Baker);
Gilgamesh/Izdubar - Enkidu/Eabani;
Mediterranean - Persain Gulf;
sexagesimal - decimal (Alford);
fire - stones (Sayce);
Bel - Dragon (Apocrypha);

Iranian:
Persia - Media (Herodotus, Daniel);
[Vohu Manah - Akah Manah];
Tishtriya - Apaosha (Robinson & Wilson);
Arya - Turia (Donnelly, );
Ahura/Amesha Spentas - Devas (Sykes, );
Ahura Mazda/Ohrmuzd - Angra Mainyu/Ahriman;
[Ashavan - Drugvan];

Indian:
India - Pakistan;
Pandavas - Kauravas (Cotterell);
Vasishtha - Viswamitra (Cotterell);
Deva - Asura (Daneilou, Cologne, Sykes);
[Arya/Nord - Dasyu/Dravidian];
Yonijas - Lingajas (B Walker);
Brahman - Atman;
Yama - Yami;
Shiva - Shakti (J Campbell);
Siva/Hara - Visnu/Hari ;
Krishna - Balarama ;
(Yab - Yum ;)
Surya/sun - Chandra/moon (Dowson, Jantsang);
(Hinayana/Ther... - Mahayana;)
[Brahman - Kshatriya];
Kama - Mara (A Cotterell);
Mitra - Varuna (Jordan);

Tibet:
Yab - Yum (Steed);
Khen-Pa - Khen-Ma (Jordan);

China:
Yin - Yang;
Fu Hsi - Nu Kwa;
Shen - Kwei (Sykes/Mind Alive);

Japan:
Izanagi - Izanami;
In - Yo (Sykes);
Chrysanthemum - Dragon (Mishima);

Egyptian:
crook - flail;
Set - Apophis;
Lower Egypt - Upper Egypt (Alford, );
Dua - Sef (Sykes);
Geb - Nut;
Shu - Tefnut (Alford);
Horus (race) - Set (race);
Horus the Elder - Horus the Younger;
Wadjet - Nekhbet (Clayton, );
sedge - bee (Clayton, );
papyrus - lotus (Clayton, );
Danaus - Aegyptus;
black land - red land (Clayton, );
Uraeus - Apophis (Hislop);
Hathor - Sekhmet (Sykes, );
Isis - Nephthys (Sykes, );
Ra/Re - Atum/Amon (Massey, );
Nun - Naunet (Jordan, );
Mantchet - Semketet;
Manu - Bahu;
nthern heavens - sthern heavens (Massey);
Osiris - Set;

Benin/Voodoo/Yoruba:
Mawu - Lisa;
Obatala - Odudua (Sykes);

Amerind:
white Manitou - black Manitou (B Walker, );

Mexican:
centrifugal - centripetal (Ceram);
Xiu - Itza (Ceram, );
quetzal/feather - coatl/serpent;
ugly/cruel - beautiful/aesthetic (W Pratney);
N Amer/Mexico - S Amer/Peru (Fitzgerald-Lee);

Peru:
sons of light - giants deprived of light (D Cologne);

Armenian:
Ara the Fair/[Hayk] - Bel (Assyrian);

Slavic:
Bielobog - Chernobog (Sykes);
Younger Bogatyr - Elder Bogatyr (J Jewell);

Greek:
Mykenae - Troy (radio);
Achilles - Hector ;
Epicurean - Stoic ;
Zeus - Theran (unverified);
Zeus - Typhon;
Athens - Sparta ;
[Athens - Atlantis];
hot - cold spring (Plato);
Prometheus - Epimetheus;
Hermes - Aphrodite;
Cupid - Psyche;
Uranus - Gaia (Sykes);
Apollo - Artemis;
Zeus - Prometheus;
[Hercules - Gigantes (RL Green)];
Otus - Ephialtes ;
mt Ossa - mt Pelion ;
Plato/Pythagoras - Aristotle (Bram/F&W, );
Dionysian - Apollonian (Jung);

Italic:
Romulus - Remus;
Mars - Venus (Jordan, );
Castor - Pollux;
Janicula - Saturnia (Hislop);
Patricians - Plebs;
Sol/Helios/Apollo - Sol Niger (B Walker);

Germanic/Nordic/Western/Eddaic:
Aryan - Jew (Hitler);
George - Dragon;
Gods - Dark (A Incendium);
Vili - Ve (Sykes);
Ask - Embla;
Heimdall - Loki ;
Lif - Lifthrasir;
Thor - Midgradsorm/Jormungard;
Baldr - Hoder/Loki ;
Thor - Etins ;
Aesir - Vanir (Larouse/Dumezil, Cologne);
Frey - Freya (Jordan);
Rob Hood - K Arthur (H Gilbert);
Saxon - Norman;
Welfs - Ghibbelines;
Lancaster - York;
lion - unicorn;

Celtic:
Lleu - Dylan (B Walker);
Gog - Magog;
Catholic/Ireland - Protestant/England;
(George - Dragon;)
Unicorn - Lion;
Lug - Balor;
TDD - Fomor (D Cologne);
Merlin/Lady of the Lake - Mab (TV);
[Arthur - Mordred];

Thursday, May 24, 2007

(Garden of) Eden

Genesis says that a river flowed out of Eden to water the Garden ("the river of life") and there it started to become divided into 4 rivers (the Euphrates, Hiddekel/Tigris, Gihon and Pishon.)

It seems to have been pretty much unanimously taken for granted that because 2 of the rivers of Eden (the Tigris and the Euphrates) are names of rivers in Iraq, that the biblical Garden of Eden is located either at the source or mouth of these 2 rivers [or perhaps where 2 rivers bends come close together in middle Iraq near Baghdad?] (&/or cp some say Babylon is on Eden site), while the [Gihon or Pison] is arbitrarily identified with an Arabian ex-river west of the Euphrates meeting towards south (cp S Deyo), and the [Pison or Gihon] is arbitrarily identified with an Elamite river east of Tigris meeting towards south.

(The Gihon has also alt been connected with the Ceyhan to west of Euphrates diverging from near it in north, or with the (Ethiopian) Nile, or else with the Euphrates which was also called by the name; and the Pishon has sometimes been identified with the [Indus/Ganges], or Seyhan, (compare [Urantia/Sarmast]).)

However, as pointed out in some of your previous posts there are some difficulties with this:

1 - It is possible that the Great Flood could have drastically altered the surface features of the Earth wiping out all traces of the rivers of Eden;

2 - The Tigris and Euphrates don't share a common source, &/or they didn't meet when the ancient gulf used to extend further north upto Ur, &/or in ice age the gulf was dry land;

3 - No definate proof of identification of the other (2) river(s) Pison (& Gihon);

(4 - Dilmun was in the north not Bahrein, &/or Bahrein ("Dilmun") is not at mouth or source of rivers.)

Moreover, somewhile ago I discovered a possible alternative theory of my own:
A picture of the 4 rivers of Eden in Philipot uses the symbol of a circle with a cross in it ("sun wheel", note the CROSS? (river/blood)), which implies that the rivers were global/world sized rivers dividing the whole earth, which disqualifies the Euphrates/Tigris/Nile/etc as a glance at an atlas will show they are small-local not crossing whole continents (though there are said to be traces of lots of rivers under the Sahara desert and/or Nile supposedly once flowed w-e, and also Rift valley).
But then a glance at maps of the stages of the continental "drift" do show global/continental sized "rivers" dividing Pangaea along/between the edges of the future continents, suggesting the possibility that the continents may have split up (&/or come together (Ural, Rift valley)) along the rivers of Eden, the rivers widening into oceans.
In ancient sources the borders of Europe, Asia and Libya/Africa were defined by rivers, (and in the Bible the borders of prophetic Israel are the Euphrates & Nile (or wadi Arish).)
The ancients considered the seas/oceans as parts of 1 RIVER Oceanus.

(Please note I am not saying that (the Garden of) Eden was Pangaea, only that the 4 rivers out of Eden crossed the whole of Pangaea.)

Furthermore I have also found the Genesis account of the 4 rivers of Paradise in a number of mythologies around the world, confirming the historicity of both.
The combination of the biblical and mythological gives a fuller picture, and seemingly strengthens my theory (esp some like the Aztec, Babylonian, Chinese):

-> Judaeo-Xtian version: 4 rivers of Eden/paradise divide whole earth (ref: Philipot). [Pseudepigrapha says 3 sons Noah divided 4 region post-flood earth leaving 1 qrter unallocated/unihab.]
-> Sumer-Akkad version: 4 rivers Karduniyash (T, E, Surappi, Ukni); 4 rivers Dilmun; "To water the 4 regions of the earth" (refs: A Heidel, .)
[-> Indian version: 4 rivers Meru?]
-> Chinese version: Kun-lun source of 4 great rivers which flowed in 4 directions (ref Larousse.)
-> Aegean version: 4 rivers Thera.
-> Norse version: 4 streams Ymir/Audhumla (refs: JC Cooper.)
-> Egyptian: Nile comes from core of earth. (Atlantic cross?)
-> Navaho: In the age of beginning 4 streams flowed from the earth's center to the 4 cardinal points.
-> Aztec version: Tonacatecuhtli drove 4 roads thru centre of earth after cataclysm to disperse flood waters of the deluge (ref: M Jordan.)
-> Peru: Cuzco 4 parts/divs.


Alternatively the rivers could (now) be underground rivers of water which scientists have discovered (& known to ancient dowsers) underneath the [continents &/or oceans].*

Alt/also there is a tradition which locates the Garden of Eden on the site of Jerusalem [or Mt Tabor?] which is considered to be the geopolitical centre of the world in Judaeo-Christian tradition.*
Eden could then be Jerusalem, and pre-flood Enoch/Nod to the (then) east of Eden could correspond to post-flood Babel (Babylon/Borsippa) (as in the Roman tradition of 2 cities on the same site "1 on each side of the flood", compare cities on two sides of a river? cp Ad/Urem) rather than Babylon being Eden as some have claimed (cp hanging gardens, Eridu/Edin.)

* This could perhaps be connected with the 2 rivers of living water that will come forth from [mt Olivet] (cp Bethesda?) in prophecy.

The Phoenician myth of Sad-El ("field/mount of God") the residence of El at the source of the 2 rivers, although it resembles the rivers of Eden, is also/alt evidence of an identification of Eden with the landing place of the Ark (perhaps from Noah planting vine?) El can be identified with Noah, since El was an old man, father of mankind, and on one occasion was helplessly drunk, [and his wife Asheratian was mother of 70 like table of 70 nations in Gen 10]. Sad-El evidently corresponds to Sumerian Dilmun which was at source of the rivers where Utnapishtim/Ziusudra dwelt.
(Enoch east of Eden, Babylon east of Jerusalem, Babel east of Ararat?)


The flaming sword may represent fire/conflaguration?

The 4 rivers/[lands] may be types of 4 world ages, with Havilah land of gold = golden age? (2nd land Cush may matche Greek trad that Ethiopians were silver age?)

Havilah :- Himalaya,
Cush :- Kur,
Asshur :- Asia, Euros/Europa,
Nod :- India, Andes, Nuristan, Nuzi, Noatun,
Pishon :- Apsu,
Gihon :- Nihon, Ceyhan,
Hiddekel :- Itak, Tigris,
Euphrates :-

Eden:
edin, bit-adini/beth-eden (tel-barsip), kar-dunyash, ve-dan, jotun/etin, aden, athens, idun, jordan, [guedin, anedin], suedin, padan,
lugal-id/itak/etana,
ida, hades, ad,

Acknowledgements:
bruce paul, brian hooper, herodotus, pseudepigrapha, philipot, NWT, david rohl, peter helmkamp/seirizzim, stan deyo, graham hancock (sign & seal), a h sayce, david fasold, [urantia/sarmast], geoffrey parker, pambi ncube, radio, chuck misler (66 40), thubron (hills of adonis).


4 evangelists/gospels;
4 horsemen Apoc (Rev);
"4 lets Corinthians";
4 tetrarchs;
4 faces cherubs/liv creatures/Adonai (Rev, Ezek);
4 cities (tetrapolis) Nimrod ;
4 letters tetragrammation YHWH;
4 beasts/metals (Daniel);
4 heads/wings leopard (Dan);
4 rivers Eden (Gen);
4 dogs Nabiru/Marduk (Sayce, Sitchin);
4 Vedas;
4 yugas;
4 heads Brahma;
4 castes;

4 worlds Celt (up, mundane, low, Mide);
4 Celtic beasts (Naddair)?
4 cities Celtic (M, G, F, F, Sykes);
firkin 4th of a barrel;
4 suits pack (tarot) cards;
4 Jungian types;
4 arms swastika (Cox, Helmkamp, );
tetraktys (1+2+3+4);
4 elements;
4 yrs Olympiad/leap yr/election/Sothis;
4 heads/faces Sventovit/Porevit;

4 sons Horus (Canopic);
4 yrs Sothic/Sirius;
4 faces/sides/corners pyramid (base);

4 suns Aztec;
4 chacs;
4 bacabs;
4 tlaloque/tlalocs;

4 dimensions (Paul, Misler, );
[4 zodiac pts (L,T,A,S, Myers);]
4 seasons;
4 corners/cardinal pts/quadrants;
4 winds/directions;
4 feet quadruped;
4 weeks month;
4 wheels;
4 sides/corners square/quadrilateral/quadrangle;
4 seasonal/daily positions Ursa Maj/Plow;
4 lge moons Jupiter;
[4 states matter;]


Saturday, May 19, 2007

Ur "of the Chaldees"

Ever since Wooley's identification of the Biblical Ur of the Chaldees with Ur city in ancient sw Iraq the orthodox opinion has been and still is that the biblical Ur was Ur city.
But there have been quite a number of other scholars however who believe that Ur city was not Ur of the Chaldees, most of whom favour locating Ur of the Chaldees rather somewhere in the north of Iraq instead (Urfa being the most popular tho unlikely specificly nomiated site).
There are a number of arguements against the Ur city/southern view, and in favour of north:

-> Ur city too far from Haran. (They reply that ancients did make long distance travels.)

-> Big long round-about up-and-down route (incld up Balih to Haran) (desert less harsh in anc/prehist than now). (They reply that they did so probably to avoid possibly hostile places, &/or that desert was as harsh then, and/or that they only had to follow established routes.)

-> Ur was on (west side of) Euphrates river (and Haran was on east side, requiring 2nd unmentioned crossing) re Josh 14:2/Eber/Hebrew. (Though they reply that Wooley said Euphrates previously "washed the foot of the western rampart, [ie Ur on east] taking a new course to the east", and/or that "for anyone living in the Levant, Babylonian Ur would have lain conceptually beyond the river, whatever the precise geography.")

-> Descriptive ("of Chaldees") unnecessary for major/known cities. (They say necessary define/identify/clarify/explanation/designation "reflecting the renewed eminence of this Ur under the Neo-Babylonians or Chaldeans".)

-> Josephus quoting Nicolaus of Damascus says "Abram ... came ... out of the land above Babylon, called the land of the Chaldeans ....", above implies either Zagros or upper/north Mesopotamia (Tigris) (unless he was using Egyptian 'up' for south). (They reply that there was high land in Arabia on sw of Chaldea, &/or Ur was tel.)

-> Abra(ha)m said that he was from/land his fathers was Padan-Aram/Aram-Naharaim in Gen 24:4 combined with Gen 24:10 and 25:20 etc cp Gen 12:1, same words used in Gen 11:28; Abraham was "an Arimi ready to perish" Deuteronomy 26:5. (They reply that translation implies Harran was his & his father's adopted land, and/or was the land of his relatives not ancestors.)

-> Hebrews (like Maoris) not acquainted with cities/houses (except from Enoch/Babel/Egypt/Canaan/Ur?) (Though they reply that some studies claim they were, and/or that there were Semite nomads around Ur city, &/or Abram may have afterward become nomad/shepherd.)

-> The contention that it took Abraham great faith to go from a "good" (comfort/secure) urban city/civilisation to the "bad" rural country is not necessarily correct, it could take equal/more faith to leave 'good' (healthy/community/) country home (&/or to go to 'bad' city). (Semites were around not in Ur city.)

-> Hebrew Genesis says Ur [ha]-Kasdim not Ur "of the Chaldees" tho Greek Acts does say Chaldees. (They reply that Kasdim always corresps to/used elsewhere in bible for Chaldeans (from Chaldees~Aramaeans~Kesed) [tho Chaldees v-v not always called Kasdim], and no ha-). To comment that they different books/authors/times they reply whole bible is late/anachronism.

-> If Moses wrote genesis (as attest by JC himself) then Chaldees not at Ur in his (or Abram's) time (Moses came after Kesed). (They reply that Chaldees/whole bible is anachronism/late, &/or that moses was 18th or 19th dyn.)

-> Chaldean never specifically/directly attached/connected to Ur city in history. (They reply Ur was incld within/on boundary of land possessed by Chaldeans.)

-> No trace/tradition of Abram in Ur city records (the Jews who lived in Babylonia did not know the site). (They reply means nothing much, &/or that in Josephus Ur is obviously Ur city.)

-> In Septuagint, Gen 11:28-31 & Acts 7:2-4 Ur is (only) called a land/country (not a city) (tho in those verses it was not the Ur name itself which was necessarily called the "land/country"), no land of Ur in south except Ki-uru/Akkad. (They reply that Ur was kingdom/city-state/hinter-land/supreme.)

-> In Gen 11:28-31 where it says Terah took Abram, Lot & Sarah with him from Ur it doesn't say that Nahor went with them. Nahor's son is later located at Nahur city, and Nahor's grandson is later located at Harran.

-> 3rd dyn Ur may be too late for Abram who lived only (1)400 yrs after the flood & at the start of history just after longevity (cp Brahmins). (They reply that Ur was around in Early Dynastic Period/is 2nd earliest Ur name.)

-> Ur (city) is less correct rendering of Urim(a)/Uru/Urummu/Hur/Uri(w)a. (They reply Ur is correct.)

-> Acts 7:2 says Abram from [Roman province of] Mesopotamia (OT Aram-Naharaim/Padan-Aram) which was north not south Mesopotamia. (They reply Roman province established after Acts written, and Greek Mesopotamia included south.)

-> If Kasdim was an anachronism then why did text say Kasdim not Chaldees/Kaldu/Shinar/Babylonia to make more clearer. (They reply Kasdim always elsewhere Hebrew for Kaldu.)

-> Names of Patriarchs, Abram's/Terah's ancestors/relatives (Nahor, Haran, Ragau, Arphaxad, Shem, Eber, Serug, Terah, Kesed, Aram) all found in north/middle (Mari/Ebla) not around Ur city. (They say irrelevant, they say some late, they say some unrelated names/accidental, they say some anachronisms.)

-> Kasdim = Kesed son of Nahor in north/mid (or = Arphaxad). (They say they migrated, &/or geographical/transfered/analogy.)

-> Why did they stop at Haran but not any other equally impressive places like Mari? (They say not on route (hostile/harsh), &/or Ur and Haran common religion.)

-> Terah/Abram left/fled (Jud 5:6) Ur situation so why (follow known route &) settle in similar/related Haran situation (religon, allied, etc). (They say they stoped there because similar/related situation.)

-> Biblical Chaldeans were Aramaic/Syriac, (they say Chaldeans & Arameans of records [sometimes] different).

-> Ezekiel says land Chaldeans by Kebar river, (they say Kebar was [part of Euphrates at Babylon]).

-> Kabbala has Abram saying "as a child ... I spent much time jesting with the young men of the mtns of Urartu...."

-> Ockham's razor.

-> Abraham "the Hebrew/Aberite" (Gen 14:13) "from Aber a naher (Aber the river)" which some say
that can't be from Heber/Eber, Habiru, "the other side of the flood" [or perates ("cross/pass over", Sept)], could perhaps be cognate with river/province Khaburatum/Habur/Kebar/Hubur?

-> Jewish Talmud relates that Terah worshipped many/12 gods (Tribes, Zodiac, Teraphim?), there were not such number of gods worshiped at Ur city.

-> Josephus said "in ... Ur ... his (Haran's) monument is shown to this day", has it been found at Ur city or recorded there?

-> "Ram caught in thicket" at Ur city is otherwise called the "goat with the tree of life/(cross)".


North/early "Chaldea/Chaldee" names:
- Chaldeans/Chaldees/Chaldini/Khaldini/Chaldaei (sw Babylonia on Persian gulf bordering Arabia Desert & sthn district Gerrha/Kuwait, Strabo/C Ptolemy, moon/stars, 5 tribes).
- Celts/Galatians.
- (K)haldi (Urartian ram deity).
- Khaldi-Ziuquni (Urartian city).
- Khaljis/Ghilzais (Afghan tribe).
- Khalitu (to west of Urartians)/Xalitu (Urartians country, foreign/Urartian, cuneiform, Rusa 2, 676 BC).
- Khalita (province Assyrian/Mari).
- Kelti (wadi Amarna letters).
- Khaldaioi/Chaldios/xald?a/Chaldia/Chaldaei (Black sea/nth Assyria/Armenia/Carduchian/east Turkey, Greeks/Persian, Cyrus/Xenophon, Cyropaedia/Anabasis).
- Cordyaeans/Gordyene/Carduchian/Curid/Cordene /Kurd/Kardu(m)/Gordyeaen/Gordian/Gordea (mt(ns)).
- Khal (Tigris)/Khar (Syria-Palestine, Egyptian recs).
- Karthli (Georgian).


- Kesed/Kasdim (
- Kassites
- kshatriyas (warrior caste, Indian)
- Pikhat Khusetu sha Khashidia/uru nam khu-si-e-tum sha khash-di-ia (Babylonian texts, Nebuchadnezzar)
- Khosrau/Chosroes/Osrohene (
- Khazar
- Yezidi
- Kurd

Tuesday, May 15, 2007

Josh, Dave, Solomon, etc

Seeming similarities between Amarna & united monarchy periods:
Tut's "ark", Hatshepsut's temple Deir el-Bahri, Aton/Adon, Akhenaten's hymn/psalm, "monotheism", Tut/David, Hatshepsut/[Bath-]Sheba, proverbs/Amenemopet (ca 19th dyn).

Similar names (between Amarna letters & united monarchy in bible) if not also contemporaneous/same natures/persons:
Abimilki - Abibalus;
Shalmaiati - Solomon;
Addudani/Addadani/Adadanu - Adonijah, [Araunah];
Vidia - David, [Uriah];
Biridia/Biridri - Benhadad;
Addaia - David, Jedidiah, Hadad/(Adados);
Dudu - Hadad, David????
Akizzi - Achish;
Aiab - Joab, Ahab;
Hiba/Hepa - Sheba, Ahab;
IapahAddi - Jephthah????;
Ebedtov - Toi/Tou, Tob, Zobah, Tabrimmon????;
Azaru/Aziru/Aziri - Hadadezer, Hazael;
Amelutgazmesh - Amalek, Agag, Gaza, Gath, Mesha, Moses;
Huriya - Uriah;

Habiru may not be Hebrews (cp Iberia?) but might be Cabiri of [Phoenician] (&/or compare (can't be) Habiri title of Hittite warriors)?

Some soucres say Ugarit was burned in reign of Akhenaten (Kolosimo). Other sources say Ugarit was burned in reign of Merneptah (Spanuth).
Now I know that there were quite a number of strata/layers &/or building phases over the time of Ugarit's existence, but I don't know if there were 2 burnt strata or only one? Need confirmation either way to rule out or not if Akhenaten and Merneptah connected?

The 3 (or "7" (Velikovsky)) yr famine of Amarna letters (18th dyn), &/or the famine/drought that came at end of Ugarit/Hittite just before foreign invaders [19th dyn/Sea Peoples or 18th dyn/Amarna] (J Lehman), may be the 3 yr famine of David (2 Sam 21:1; 24:13) [or famine of Ruth or Elijah/Elisha?]

(1.) old/orthodox chronology:
Abe - Ur 3/Larsa/Babylon 1/[Old Hittite];
Jose - Hyksos (15th/16th dyn);
Mose - 18th/19th dyn;
Josh - Amarna (18th dyn);
Shishak - Sheshonk (22nd dyn);
Necho - Neco (26th dyn);

(2.) Velikovsky's chronology:
Mose - Dudimose (13th dyn);
Judges - Hyksos (15th/16th dyn);
Saul - 15th/16th/18th dyns;
Solomon - Hatshepsut (18th dyn);
Shishak - Tuthmosis 3 (18th dyn);
Zerah - Amenhotep 2 (18th dyn);
divided monarchy - Amarna (18th dyn);
So - Sheshonk (22nd dyn);
Necho - Ramses 2 (19th dyn);

(3.) Rohl's/"new" chronology:
Jose - 12th dyn;
Mose - Sobekhotep (13th dyn);
Josh/Judges - 15th/16th dyn;
Saul - Amarna (18th dyn);
David - Amarna (18th dyn);
Shishak - Ramses 2 (19th dyn);

my tentative provisional possibilities:
Abe - 1st dyn;
Jacob - 2nd dyn;
Jose - 3rd/4th dyn;
Mose - 12th dyn;
Dave - 18th dyn?;
Solomon - 18th/19th dyn?;
Shishak - 19th dyn;

Nimrod ~ Aurignacian/Magdalenian
- (tall/strong, hunter, capelid/sumerian)
Abraham ~ Azilian
- (Beersheba)
Joseph ~ Lake Dwellings
- (Egyptian wheat/dried-up lake shores)
Moses ~ Megalithic
- (bedstead of Og of Bashan)


The closest possibility I have so far found for king C(h)(o)ushan-ris(h)at(h)a(y)im of Judges 3 is king S(h)u-shin of 3rd dyn of Ur (incld Akkad & Assyria), though rishathaim is perhaps similar to diblathaim (r/d intchge, sh/b cipher)? (Compare: Cush = Kur; Gozan (Gu-edin?/Gud-ana?). Perhaps risatayim relate to nasatya twins?)
(If Cushan-risathaim was an Assyrian then only close names other than Shu-shin are: [...]an [...], Erishu(m), Ashur-rim-nisheshu, Assu-ris-ilim (unverified), or Eriba-adad (b/sh cipher)?) (Compare Sheshonk?)

No direct mention is made of any Egyptian invasion/occupation of Israel/Palestine in Judges period.

Jerusalem (as opposed to Salem, cp New Jerusalem) is first so named (at latest) in David's time or (betw time of Abraham and) (before) Joshua/Judges. Mention of in ancient Egyptian 'Execration texts' of Mid Kdm Per/12th dyn, (and Amarna letters).

Could the great city Dur-ash conquered by Sargon be Jebus (Jeru-salem)? (Same sign reads either dur/dar, ip/eb, uras/urta; and Dur-ash is compared to [Dur-ilu/Dur-ili &/or] Dara-la (Eb-la).)

Sargon conquered Iarimuti which is Jarmuth of bk of Joshua, (cp Iarimuta of Amarna lets, (cp Yarmuk?)) .


Sumerian dynasties/cities (king list)/strata/periods/phases:

1.) Antediluvian lists (Waddell's ks #s 1-10):
(Anu 1) -> Eridu/Nunki -> Badtabira -> Larsa -> Badtabira -> Larak -> Sippar -> Shurupak* -> (Flood);

2a.) Isin list (Waddell's ks #s 1-37):
(Flood) -> (Anu 2) -> Kis 1* -> (Eanna);
2b.) Isin list (Waddell's ks #s 1-39):
Eanna/Uruk 1* -> Ur 1* -> Awan* -> Kis 2* -> Hamazi -> Uruk 2;

3.) ?:
Ur 2 -> Adab [1?] -> Mari;

4.) Kish list (Waddell's ks #s 1-46):
Kis 3 -> Akshak -> Kis 4 -> "Gap"* -> Uruk 3/Umma -> Agade -> Uruk 4 -> [Adab 2?] -> (Guti);

5.) (Waddell's ks #s 46-78):
Guti -> Lagas -> Uruk 5 -> Ur 3 -> Isin -> Larsa -> Babylon 1 -> Hittite -> Sealands -> Kassi 1;

6.) dyns/phases/strata:
Mid Bab -> Neo-Babylon -> Med -> Pers -> Macedon -> Antigonus -> Seleucid -> Parthian.